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Topic: Question for any surgeons out there (hehe)

So, Murtha has just died from "complications of gall bladder surgery." I also think of Andy Warhol. The mother of a friend of mine totally bled out in post-op from laproscopic gall bladder surgery.

I recall from med school (which I wisely quit after two years) that one of the few areas of the body with considerable VARIATION in anatomy is the web of arteries, veins, and ducts connecting to the gall bladder--some of which go to the liver, and others to the gall bladder. Confusion can arise, and a wrong artery can easily be cut (which obviously happened with my friend's mother--they tried to get her an emergency liver transplant, but failed).

Is that likely what happens in these public cases--and we're never told about common, straight out MD fuckups?

Last edited by GetMeThere (2010-02-08 12:42:04)

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Re: Question for any surgeons out there (hehe)

GetMeThere wrote:

So, Murtha has just died from "complications of gall bladder surgery." I also think of Andy Warhol. The mother of a friend of mine totally bled out in post-op from laproscopic gall bladder surgery.

I recall from med school (which I wisely quit after two years) that one of the few areas of the body with considerable VARIATION in anatomy is the web of arteries, veins, and ducts connecting to the gall bladder--some of which go to the liver, and others to the gall bladder. Confusion can arise, and a wrong artery can easily be cut (which obviously happened with my friend's mother--they tried to get her an emergency liver transplant, but failed).

Is that likely what happens in these public cases--and we're never told about common, straight out MD fuckups?

It's absolutely to do with poor laps. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12049542

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Re: Question for any surgeons out there (hehe)

Laps are great for stuff like fundos, but lap-cholecystectomies should not be performed. No field of view.

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riskarb wrote:

Laps are great for stuff like fundos, but lap-cholecystectomies should not be performed. No field of view.

Hmmm...I thought pretty much ALL -->  gall stone problems>> gall bladder removal>>lap.

I didn't think they did non-lap removals anymore.

More interesting to me, though, isn't there a good way to DETERMINE if a screw-up has occurred on a lap, and then they can open things up and let a vascular surgeon fix things? My friend's mother lost it all in post-op--nobody (apparently) even knew anything was wrong.

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Depends on where you are. In Lake Tahoe/Reno they still do open fundos and cholecystectomies, for example. It's a demographic/regional sophistication issue. It's a risky lap-procedure, so I would be certain that my surgeon had done at least 300 before considering the doc.

This will answer your questions. Two-fold increase in major complications with LC vs. OC, and diagnostic notes:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1191728/

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Geez, his COLON was damaged!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02 … d-surgery/

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Murtha was a painful splinter of truth in a lot of NWO types. He asked all the "wrong" questions, voted all the wrong ways. They did all they could to discredit him. Perhaps they did not want to wait form  him to join ex-congressman and slash 11 commissioner, and Nebraska Governor, Bob Kerry  in "frank" interviews with "We Are Change". Usually they just hang `em in a woodshed behind mom's trailer.

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Cadavre wrote:

Usually they just hang `em in a woodshed behind mom's trailer.

Of course, MOST such ideas are completely delusional. And, of course, OCCASIONALLY, such theories are TOTALLY CORRECT.

Which, if you think about it, is yet another way that confusion is sown--and bad acts are performed without anyone suspecting.

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Re: Question for any surgeons out there (hehe)

I agree with mainstream delusion!
http://www.physics911.net/images/ciaosama.jpg

Like, for example, the "sovereign default" booga booga is everywhere, except DC, despite the fact that DC has engineered a higher deficit, as well as higher than most, deficit to GDP ratio than any of the countries mainstream commentators rapture with the old "Lookie here, things ain't as bad as they are over there".

Yeah - right! We're drowning in clover!

In an odd way, they're correct:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vIR9lEpVYYw/S2w3AXk9mxI/AAAAAAAALiQ/tC-Y4RvjIpY/s400/sovereign+debt.png
Things ain't as bad on this side of the pond as they are on the other, they're much worse (well at least we're not as undisciplined as the Brits - they're asking France for a handout - but not by much)!

When the collection agencies get pesky - it's time to see if some kind of Boogie Guy is hiding in the countries those collection agents are working for: If ya can't pay your banker - sign executive orders labeling him a terror slinging recall slime ball!
http://rlv.zcache.com/send_the_bankers_to_guantanamo_bumper_sticker-p128913648727107022tmn6_210.jpg

As long as my long precious metal positions continue to bear fruit - let the other fruit rot!:)

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Re: Question for any surgeons out there (hehe)

riskarb wrote:

Laps are great for stuff like fundos, but lap-cholecystectomies should not be performed. No field of view.

And then....sometimes the open ones go bad as well:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … ation.html